Posts by cyberdyne systems 101

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What is the current light on the "Generation" issue???

by integ in

on the watchtower official web site they still hold to the doctrine that "some of those alive in 1914 will be alive when the end comes" or something to that effect, which flies in the face of the 1995 wt article that speaks of "generation" as being something different.. i brought this up to a witness and she said "no way.

the society wouldn't say that".

well...they did, but what really is the current stance on this?

cyberdyne systems 101

I am amazed to go to their site and see this old light being given out as truth!!! What a dumbass organisation! I can remember saying to one Elder how we can only go back so far on the cd rom, saying they dont want us to look too far back - and I was completely nieve about what was really in all that literature of the past that our 'generation' didnt get to see. It really does show that the Society is more important than the truth, otherwise how come the elderly ones that have seen so many changes keep going - sure there are loads of peripheral reasons, but still if you base your whole life and future on this, it should be so obviously a sham, unfortunately when all you take in is propaganda, reasoning ability outside of the walls becomes imposible

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I need help to clear my mind...

by digglina in

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friends

i'd like to hear your thoughts on the following.. the thought of da'ing pops up in my mind every now and again.

at the moment i don't associate with any witnesses.

i do walk into them occassionally, but most of them (from different congregations) don't seem to be aware of the fact that i haven't been attending meetings for over a year now.

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Hi there,

A difficult choice to make in some ways, I personally now would prefer to DA, to actually say out right the reasons why and so forth. At the time of my leaving I felt this would be playing by their rules, but now I see it as a way to make a clean break from a lying organisation. I wasnt in full possesion of the facts back then, I just knew there were things I didnt agree with, that seemed wrong as far as the bible was concerned, but I really knew nothing about how much BS there was.

You said you were happy with a quiet life at the moment, maybe your time hasnt come to stir things up yet? Once you've done it there is no taking it back really. But as you say its much more preferable to being DF, is that perhaps an iminent possibility? That could speed up your choice perhaps?

Whatever you do you wont be judged, just accepted. Good luck

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Favorite Character Actor

by mrsjones5 in

i got this from the bruno kirby topic.. who is your favorite character actor?

one of my favorites is david morse.. i love him in everything he does.

good guys, bad guys, he's awesome in every one of his roles.. josie

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Patrick Stewart

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Do you come from a family that totally avoids talking about problems ?

by troubled mind in

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i do.... when i was young my mom kept us from speaking to my non witness dad about anything that might upset him .we also could not openly share our problems of being witnesses at school, like the ridicule we endured for not saying the pledge or celebrating holidays .

we had to say we were happy not having birthday parties even if that really was not true .

my husband was raised in an abusive household and must have learned some of those same lessons .

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I think it was two things - the emotional growing up after coming out of the dubs and having a friend who wouldn't let me go quiet, she made me talk and would sit there and wait for me to do so. I respected her enough to allow that to happen. So maybe you can learn ways of asking questions and drawing your husband out?

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Were you a bathroom breaker?

by Mysterious in

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i swear my mother used to keep better track of my bladder than i did.

she'd sit me down occasionally for talks such as "i noticed you've been going to the bathroom a lot during the meetings lately maybe we need to cut down on what you drink on meeting nights" etc.

others would go 2 or 3 times a meeting and if i went twice a week i'd get a talk about it!

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Very funny read! I feel sorry for the kids at meetings, there is usually absolutely nothing on the program remotely for them and yet they are forced to sit and listen, dont go to the loo, etc etc.

I can remember being at one sunday meeting with a hangover, I simply had to go to the loo to splash cold water on my face to keep the nauseous feeling at bay.

As for people milling about, many girls would come in clearly with renewed makeup, others would take it water from the kitchen we had, presumably so they could go for a toilet break later on! Elders would wander around, even pretending to check outside for security's sake! I actually do remember occasions where I had genuine need for a loo break but feeling guilty and who's going to see me and holding it, how pathetically micromanaged we were - no wonder I eventually got so fed up I left.

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giving a talk

by aoxo in

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i was reading "crises of conscience" and came to a part that described the governing body meetings and how some of the gb were asleep and not realy paying attention to the subject at hand but raised their hands at the end of the meeting just to agree with the new resolution despite how it may affect the bro's and sis of the cong.

it reminded me how elders critiqueing my talks and telling me i had to work on a certain point like gestures when i worked damn hard to get checked good on that point and realizing that they weren't paying attention to my talk at all.

other times i was marked good on some point that i didn't even bother to read up on in the tmsgb.

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One of the hardest things I had to do was talks. Ok they are only 5 mins long, but often times i'd really struggle with the preparation and waste time reseaching and coming up with lots of irrelevant material (ok now its all irrelevant!) to sift through. And then I found it quite an ordeal to stand up there and give the talk (again i've played in bands live, and although you get nervous, you also get a buzz). It was for me another area that the 'Faithful Slave' had come up with, and we were strongly encouraged to be a part of, and yet their only authority was that it was a loving provision from Jehovah (GB) . As for the Elders that took the school, we had one that tended to praise your efforts - and I found myself wanting to do my best, and then another that always found something for you to work on, which got my back up. In the end i'd say to him 'thats your oppinion'.

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ps. I remember the falling asleep reference in CoC

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Do you come from a family that totally avoids talking about problems ?

by troubled mind in

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friends

i do.... when i was young my mom kept us from speaking to my non witness dad about anything that might upset him .we also could not openly share our problems of being witnesses at school, like the ridicule we endured for not saying the pledge or celebrating holidays .

we had to say we were happy not having birthday parties even if that really was not true .

my husband was raised in an abusive household and must have learned some of those same lessons .

cyberdyne systems 101

Yeah i'd say I did, not in everyway but in some of the more important. I'd say up until recently I've been unable to be totally open to my parents, I almost had two lives, i'd act one way with them and another with my former friends. Since leaving the WTS, i've had to do a lot of emotional growing up and its brought down some of the area's I found hard to talk about - in fact some who know me from here say i'm very direct now, probably overcompensation for how i was before!

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False "Reasoning from the Scriptures" (Part 2)

by yaddayadda in

the responses suggested below by the wts in the reasoning book are misleading for a number of reasons, discussed in brackets.

(i use firefox and can't seem to bold, underline, etc for ease of reading, sorry.

*** rs 207-8 jehovah's witnesses *** .

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Its the sort of comeback a sales person or politician would come out with to throw the questioner (spin spin spin)

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by yaddayadda in

the reasoning from the scriptures book lists 7 criteria for determining which religion is right?

putting aside for the moment the assumption in the societys question, that there is only one right religion, which 3 of the societys criteria do you think are the weakest and which 3 are the strongest, and why?

(those who dont believe that the bible is gods word please try and suspend your disbelief when answering) .

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Where does the bible say we need an organisation? 1914? Paradise? Two classes of Christians?

(2) Consider whether it is making known the name of God. Jesus said in prayer to God: “I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world.” (John 17:6) He declared: “It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.” (Matt. 4:10) Has your religion taught you that ‘it is Jehovah you must worship’? Have you come to know the Person identified by that name—his purposes, his activities, his qualities—so that you feel you can confidently draw close to him?

What is God's name? Do they know its correct spelling or pronunciation?

(3) Is true faith in Jesus Christ being demonstrated? This involves appreciation of the value of the sacrifice of Jesus’ human life and of his position today as heavenly King. (John 3:36; Ps. 2:6-8) Such appreciation is shown by obeying Jesus—sharing personally and zealously in the work that he assigned to his followers. True religion has such faith that is accompanied by works.—Jas. 2:26.

Is everyone to do as Jesus commanded and eat of the bread and wine, be annointed?

(4) Is it largely ritualistic, a formality, or is it a way of life? God strongly disapproves of religion that is merely a formalism. (Isa. 1:15-17) True religion upholds the Bible’s standard of morality and clean speech instead of weakly going along with popular trends. (1 Cor. 5:9-13; Eph. 5:3-5) Its members reflect the fruits of God’s spirit in their lives. (Gal. 5:22, 23) So, those who adhere to true worship can be identified because they sincerely endeavor to apply Bible standards in their lives not only at their places of meeting but in their family life, at their secular work, in school, and in recreation.

Is following the meetings and schedules for ministry ritualistic and formal? Do they go beyond that which the bible states - such as what is proper for marriage mates? Can members reflect the fuitage of the spirit when the majority are not annointed and are still in effect under law? Do they apply mens standards in their lives - such as not doing celebrations

(5) Do its members truly love one another? Jesus said: “By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves.” (John 13:35) Such love reaches across racial, social, and national boundaries, drawing people together in genuine brotherhood. So strong is this love that it sets them apart as being truly different. When the nations go to war, who have enough love for their Christian brothers in other lands that they refuse to take up arms and kill them? That is what early Christians did.

If you are weak by mens standards will you lose that love? If we sin will we be helped or interogated?

(6) Is it truly separate from the world? Jesus said that his true followers would be “no part of the world.” (John 15:19) To worship God in a manner that he approves requires that we keep ourselves “without spot from the world.” (Jas. 1:27) Can that be said of those whose clergy and other members are involved in politics, or whose lives are largely built around materialistic and fleshly desires?—1 John 2:15-17.

Will it not fight laws/governments in courts to gain its rights, will it affiliate with the UN?

(7) Are its members active witnesses concerning God’s Kingdom? Jesus foretold: “This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.” (Matt. 24:14) What religion is really proclaiming God’s Kingdom as the hope of mankind instead of encouraging people to look to human rulership to solve their problems? Has your religion equipped you to share in this activity, and to do it from house to house as Jesus taught his apostles to do?—Matt. 10:7, 11-13; Acts 5:42; 20:20.

What is the good news of the kingdom? Will we use the Bible or publications? Will we have to submit the time we spend to them?

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V for Vendetta-similarities in the government and WTBTS?

by gaiagirl in

just saw the movie v for vendetta, about a totalitarian government in the near-future england.

somehow it reminded me of the wtbts, in that whenever something happened, they would have the media "spin" it to cast events in the best light for the government, and the worst for whoever else might be involved.

anyone opposed to the government was automatically a criminal, terrorist, etc.

cyberdyne systems 101

I couldn't pass a topic on V for Vendetta! I have to agree that the Matrix is much more like the feeling of leaving a dream and finding reality, A reality that at first takes a lot of getting used to and is harder work, but ultimately more rewarding. This parallels the experience of leaving the witnesses

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